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Electric scooters may not be around for long…

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Electric scooters have been one of the biggest tech crazes of the last year, with venture capitalists pouring more than $1 billion into the startups. But the fundamental numbers don’t add up because the scooters don’t bring in enough money to cover their costs. If the business continues on its current path, the scooter hype might be short-lived.
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12/04/2019

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The Verge
The Verge 6 दिन पहले
How do you feel about having scooters in your city/town?
ocean
ocean 10 घंटे पहले
you have to realize that the value comes from the data they collect from the scooters right?
Tim Johnson
Tim Johnson 12 घंटे पहले
+Jc Gomes yeah, because we're running out of landfills smh relax
xd tranzit
xd tranzit 16 घंटे पहले
i liked them when they first appeared in L.A, so I bought my own and love it
Martin R.
Martin R. 17 घंटे पहले
IMO the per minute pricing is expensive. Bought my own e-scooter.
William Killington
William Killington 15 मिनट पहले
The “it’s entirely possible” Verge.
rockets4kids
rockets4kids 19 मिनट पहले
I can't believe there wasn't even a single mention of easily replaceable spare parts.
See Nomore
See Nomore 22 मिनट पहले
....COULD PEOPLE BE THE PROBLEM FOR A SCOOTERS LIFE SPAN? ...TIME FOR ONE MORE INVESTIGATION!! ...CALL IN MULLER!! ...SOMEBODY GOT TO PAY!!
66420192
66420192 26 मिनट पहले
I know friends that work for these companies, and these things are dogshit quality, they literally fall to pieces after a few rides. My friends complain about how only 1 out 5 scooters actually can be unlocked.
El Diablo
El Diablo 39 मिनट पहले
I can’t imagine any American weighting more than 200 pounds...
Socrates
Socrates 55 मिनट पहले
Why scooters don't work in the US in one letter: N
Roman
Roman 56 मिनट पहले
tried it once. My citybike is faster, cheaper and safer (!)
Aidan Chiranjiv Singh
Aidan Chiranjiv Singh 56 मिनट पहले
*_sCoOtEr KiDs ArE mAd_*
Michael Cooper
Michael Cooper 2 घंटे पहले
I wish they were legal in the UK.
Sharing Lungs
Sharing Lungs 2 घंटे पहले
What made my blood boil is those clips of people destroying the scooters especially dumping them in a lake. Some people should have never been born.
ESCU Reds
ESCU Reds 2 घंटे पहले
Hey Man You may wanna change your title To Business Escooters, You forget to think about the personal owners.... Coz i have mine for almost 7months. everyday usage from house to work but still no issues. (Ninebot Segway ES2)..,
kevin
kevin 2 घंटे पहले
Scooters will last as long as there are tax incentives and gullible investors and let’s not forget bribes and payoffs for middle tier government officials
Genwei Guo
Genwei Guo 3 घंटे पहले
Look like ninebot from China
Michael Byléhn
Michael Byléhn 3 घंटे पहले
No mention on what breaks on them. I really doubt it's the batteries for example which is a huge cost. Some stopped having the scooters foldable so maybe that mechanism failed on some and, no, removing that mechanism does not make the scooter more expensive. I bet the motor is also a culprit. Also no mention of repairing the scooters. I mean if it's just swapping the motor then it's not that bad.
Wthie Ribabt
Wthie Ribabt 4 घंटे पहले
A perfect example of why communism has always failed, people don't take care of things they have no ownership of. It's just human nature and isn't going to change anytime soon. I also think it's quite amusing that these things have been touted as an environmentally friendly alternative to driving but if you have to replace them every month you'd honestly do far less damage to the environment by just driving the same car for 15 years.
Master Robotnik
Master Robotnik 5 घंटे पहले
=ONLY PRIVATE ELECTRIC *FOLDABLE* SCOOTERS IS THE SOLUTION,WHAT CAN B TAKEN FREELY IN PUBLIC TRANSPORT =AUTHORITIES MUST SUBSIDIZE THOSE WHO TO BUY OWN ONE=.......=THAT'S HOW THEY WONT BE DUMPED LIKE BIKES IN CHINA=........=NOT VERY CHEAP SOLUTION AT FIRST,BUT IN FUTURE THAT'LL SAVE LOTS OF MONEY BECAUSE THERE WONT BE DUMPING PROBLEM =SOOOOOOO ACTUALLY ALL SHARING THINGS ARE ABOUT TO END UP IN FAILURE BECAUSE OF THAT DOESNT WORK BY SUCH WAY =YEAHHH,FEELING LIKE COMMUNISM,BUT WHAT'S BETTER-TRAFFIC JAMS,DUMPS OF SHAREABLE SCOOTERS/BIKES WHAT WILL ACTUALLY WILL FORCE MONEY LOSES TO ALL OF COUNTRY'S ECONOMICS IN FUTURE OR THAT SOLUTION WHAT COMPETELY SOLVES ALL PROBLEMS OF LAST MILE=?? =THAT ISNT COMMUNISM BUT *PRESCIENCE* -IF YOU WANT SOME MECHANISM TO GIVE LOTS OF PROFIT TO YOU,YOU NEED PUT EFFORT TO IT'S PEREFECT TUNEUP =..............................
RV Home
RV Home 7 घंटे पहले
With Lyft and Uber getting into the e-scooter/e-bike game now, we can be sure it's a race to the bottom. These companies are all ponzi schemes. Without all these "investors" these unprofitable businesses would NEVER survive.
NeoRipshaft
NeoRipshaft 9 घंटे पहले
Wow it's almost like capital holders are morons with enormous quantities of completely unearned money... Wait, no that is exactly accurate.
Sitou Dien
Sitou Dien 10 घंटे पहले
It's a scam. Scooter companies rely on third party unprofessional gig economy worker to recharge and fix its scooters. Most are stolen, vandalized, and thrown in the river.
David Cote
David Cote 11 घंटे पहले
I live in a city that has been initiated by those dam things, we have 14k plus of the things. LITTERED all over the place. Do EVERYTHING in your power to keep them OUT of your city, they are a pain in the a$$ royally. In the streets, all over the sidewalks, in parks and even on greenways which are miles from downtown (which is where they are supposed to be) Just left because they are dead and that's where they died.
agun17
agun17 12 घंटे पहले
The business model should be a scooter battery renting company. You buy your own electric scooter, but you rent the battery.
Martin Delira
Martin Delira 12 घंटे पहले
Man forget about money. Scooters are the ones to blame for bringing out the worst us.
Cadza
Cadza 12 घंटे पहले
Just buy yourself one, why would I rent then pay everyday
spartacus the bringer of rain
spartacus the bringer of rain 12 घंटे पहले
They may do a bait and switch on their business model after people get use to the scooters.
kka hamel
kka hamel 14 घंटे पहले
plus the insurance costs, liability etc!
kka hamel
kka hamel 14 घंटे पहले
problem too is it can only be used in spring summer fall. once it gets cold the battery power drops
Thomas Hanna
Thomas Hanna 15 घंटे पहले
This is what happens when entrepreneurs try and make interesting things for people that have everything they need.
starrychloe
starrychloe 15 घंटे पहले
I disagree. My scooter has lasted 2+ years, with only changing battery. Definitely not the durable rental kind.
starrychloe
starrychloe 15 घंटे पहले
I disagree. My scooter has lasted 2+ years, with only changing battery. Definitely not the durable rental kind.
Jason Abbott
Jason Abbott 15 घंटे पहले
I wonder if hoverboards would be cheaper?
Jason Abbott
Jason Abbott 15 घंटे पहले
They could put advertising on the scooters. Maybe an LED board somewhere on the scooter.
jlcain100
jlcain100 15 घंटे पहले
Personally i think you are off on how much they make. Me and my GF spent 2 days in Dallas tx riding we each spent 70+ each riding scooters and it was a blast. People were riding them everywhere. Granted im sure ppl dont spend near what we did but still.
Gorb McNasty
Gorb McNasty 15 घंटे पहले
If 'The Verge' say they are not gonna be around for long , It means they are here forever!!!!!
vliam22
vliam22 16 घंटे पहले
How is this not a venture capitalist targeted Ponzi scheme? Cause it sounds a lot like a venture capitalist targeted Ponzi scheme.
Cosmonauteable
Cosmonauteable 16 घंटे पहले
Rivers? I got'em. See ya there.
Wesley Swain
Wesley Swain 16 घंटे पहले
"... we really need to look at the big pitcher." *Photo of Randy Johnson comes onscreen, video ends*
Jonfinkle Hotwing
Jonfinkle Hotwing 16 घंटे पहले
ive ridden over 1000 miles for 6 months and i bought 2.... people are stupid they last a long time if you DON'T rent them constantly and its cheaper to just buy
GLR
GLR 17 घंटे पहले
Even Athens Greece is full of these green scooters
奥村 麻子
奥村 麻子 18 घंटे पहले
I mean this is the 1000th lesson that introducing novel concepts like that in the USA does not work, because the people are destructive morons. You would be hard pressed to find such idiots in Japan or Europe where people would intentionally try to destroy something that does not belong to them and help you be mobile, except in the United States where that seems to be their favorite past time. I mean as said, it's not the first time this happened and it wont be the last, let them live in the stone age, and move to greened pastures and countries where people appreciate things like that.
Artyom Sherwin
Artyom Sherwin 18 घंटे पहले
Or people could just get a bicycle. These scooter rides sound expensive.
intel386DX
intel386DX 18 घंटे पहले
poor bicycles and scooters :(
RMF
RMF 18 घंटे पहले
Oh look, a scooter. Let's set it on fire! Flipping imbecilies! This is why we can't have nice things.
Hidden
Hidden 18 घंटे पहले
I can only hope they go under. Tons of Ewaste.
Guda's World
Guda's World 19 घंटे पहले
Capitalism is broken af
Collin Gonzalez
Collin Gonzalez 19 घंटे पहले
I think it's worth noting that, in my experience seeing and using scooters around LA, Bird scooter durability is VASTLY VASTLY VASTLY inferior to the Lime scooters. Perhaps the new Bird scooter is equal or even better, I have no idea, but the Lime scooters have been more robust from the start.
HoleyHouseOfAir
HoleyHouseOfAir 20 घंटे पहले
Scooters can be repaired as well
HoleyHouseOfAir
HoleyHouseOfAir 20 घंटे पहले
Too many idiots with too much money investing in idiots (protip: pension funds investing)
Maximilian
Maximilian 20 घंटे पहले
On the flip side you can sell the customer data. Where X, Y or Z customer travels. Where he lives etc... On the other side, you need to factor in the cost of changing the batteries or charging them. Repairing scooters, theft, vandalism etc... And all the other stuff that costs money in a company.
Tennouseijin
Tennouseijin 20 घंटे पहले
It seems like there are a few simple solutions to begin with: 1. Someone intentionally breaks scooters, or uses them the wrong way? Make them pay. Those people who threw scooters in the lake? If they're made to pay for the vandalism, then the scooter renting company will not be losing money because of vandalism. I mean, it should be obvious - those people who cause damage should pay for damage. Of course this is easier said than done, but if riding/leaving rented scooters is only allowed in monitored areas, well lit at night etc., this should be doable. 2. Increase the price of using a scooter. This might mean fewer customers, but it'll also mean fewer scooters will be needed, and thus all the operational costs will be down as well. Say the price of using a scooter is doubled. Number of customers drops five times. Operational costs drop five times, but revenue ends up 2/5 of the old one. With the right numbers, this would become profitable. 3. Recycling & repair. When a scooter becomes too damaged it should be salvaged for parts. Making a new scooter out of parts of damaged scooters SHOULD be cheaper than making one from scratch with raw materials. Of course the other solution it to simply sell scooters. Once it is the user's property, they'll care for it more. One problem with scooter ownership is securing it from theft, so it would be nice if there were dedicated storage lockers or something where people could 'park' their scooters near shopping centers, universities, office buildings etc. because at this time, the only safe-ish option is to store scooters indoors. Chain locks, alarms, GPS trackers... can deter some thieves, but a well equipped, professional thief can still get any scooter kept outdoors in a matter of minutes or seconds. Of course if the scooter is cheap, thieves may not be interested, but for people willing to buy a $1000 electric scooter? The threat is real. Also, most security devices (chains, locks, GPS trackers) won't prevent a thief from stealing the battery, which is often the most expensive part of scooters.
BloodyIron
BloodyIron 21 घंटे पहले
The supposition that each scooter should be treated as one unit is part of the fallacy that is the measurement of their lifespan. I don't believe that every part on them magically fail at the same time. What is a failure? Is it a broken tire? Bad battery? Broken shaft? Replace the parts that fail, instead of replacing the whole unit. This will substantially, positively, impact the lifespan and recouped cost of each unit. And honestly, I'm disappointed in The Verge that we didn't even touch on repairs whatsoever here. Come on guys, I expected more from you.
Gabriel Solomon
Gabriel Solomon 21 घंटे पहले
that's a split infinitive
Hindsight
Hindsight 21 घंटे पहले
Ride sharing bikes came to Australia people who hated cyclists would buy them and vandalise them or throw them into the water, then blamed the cyclists when in reality it was these cyclist hating groups.
walter byrd
walter byrd 21 घंटे पहले
Maybe owning electric skateboards would make more since? You can easily carry an electric skateboard, and they start out around $120.
Wthie Ribabt
Wthie Ribabt 4 घंटे पहले
Except most people can't ride a skateboard. It wouldn't be a good business model for a ridesharing company.
RDLMeThat
RDLMeThat 22 घंटे पहले
I refuse to wear a helmet and be safe
Romeo Irvin Dosdos
Romeo Irvin Dosdos 23 घंटे पहले
Damn a dollar for a scooter + 15 cents per min thats like taking a cab in my country.
Ovidu Acantinca
Ovidu Acantinca 19 घंटे पहले
true.. it is more expensive than renting a car it's like 100 usd for 10 hour usage
MultiSilversalmon
MultiSilversalmon 23 घंटे पहले
People should buy their own scooters.
n!tromy
n!tromy दिन पहले
'built (not) to last'? 'built to (not) last'? ?????
James Barnett
James Barnett दिन पहले
Why dont they switch to scooter LEASING? Then that way the owner gets to keep it and covers maintenance costs and gives it back after a much longer time
Angel Santana
Angel Santana दिन पहले
The problem is the overweight of half America who are breaking this scooters
Antoine B.
Antoine B. दिन पहले
Or they just plan to raise prices once they get enough customers hooked on the service. Facebook did that (ok, it's a bit different)
MAYER MAKES
MAYER MAKES दिन पहले
shared bikes and Scooters are pretty new to vienny and cluttered up the city right away, they get stolen broken and thrown everywhere, I even found one at my private parking spot at work, someone must have thrown it over the fence.
Go Nads
Go Nads दिन पहले
It’s law to wear a helmet that the scooter company must provide where I live. They go though 1000’s of helmets a month which must cost them a small fortune.
Timmy
Timmy दिन पहले
Those things are damn dangerous
Basti _
Basti _ दिन पहले
¿ 28 days?
Andrew Micallef
Andrew Micallef दिन पहले
Man, why do some people just have to take their hate out on something they don't like? I don't wanna live around people anymore
Andrew Kingery
Andrew Kingery 18 मिनट पहले
Well, some people have motive. Example: These scooters can drastically reduce the demand for rideshare services like Uber and Lyft.
F3RAL manchild
F3RAL manchild दिन पहले
In short, capitalism is shortsighted and investors are stupid. Unfortunately investors are what makes the world go round right now but anyone and everyone that invests is absolutely moronic. This business is wasteful, immoral, and cumbersome to the cities that feature scooter sharing. Its clearly a bad investment, but people still insist on having money fights over the idea. No one is actually considering the implications for the future. Man kind is going to start to run out of metal in a century or two. our great grandchildren will see these piles of junk and wasted metal that we left for them and then piss on our graves... and we deserve it...
F3RAL manchild
F3RAL manchild 14 घंटे पहले
+Bartlomiej Milewski or... if you dont believe me, then look it up for yourself. Im not a genius, but geniuses have come to realize this before me.
F3RAL manchild
F3RAL manchild 14 घंटे पहले
+Bartlomiej Milewski another way to look at it is: Did you know that pure aluminum was so rare hundreds of years ago that monarchs would make crowns out of the element. Abundance hasn't changed at all since then, methods for extracting it has. There is no way to extract it from everywhere efficiently. We are causing an accelerated entropy of all metals. So, hopefully our descendants figure out substitutes. Otherwise they will have to sweep the streets for metal.
F3RAL manchild
F3RAL manchild 14 घंटे पहले
+Bartlomiej Milewski lucky for you i happen to have a degree in geophysics... so, yeah... 8-9% of earth's crust is aluminum. Most of earths crust is oxygen and silicon... but abundance has nothing to do with usability. If we mine it and spread it out across earths crust (like we have been) it wont change the composition of earths crust but it will slowly oxidize and essentially become dust. This dust will be next to impossible to mine because it will be such low yield and will be so spread out that its just impractical. Thats just aluminum. Im more worried about the copper and gold in the circuits. Copper and gold will run out first, then iron, etc... our great grandchildren will have no recourses left.
Bartlomiej Milewski
Bartlomiej Milewski 19 घंटे पहले
Run out of metal? I dont think you understand how much aluminium ground contains.
Surreal Nirvana
Surreal Nirvana दिन पहले
Fundamentally I disagree with this video. I do agree the lame rideshare scooters need to go the way of the dodo, but the electric scooter is not going anywhere. With costs coming down to 300 dollars for the consumer version of these scooters, people are just buying them.
James Tucker
James Tucker 22 घंटे पहले
This video was talking more about the companies and less about individual scooter ownership. I think you got caught with the title
Comp Wiz2007
Comp Wiz2007 दिन पहले
Ebikes are a better solution for a BUYER. Renting on the other hand for a tourist is a nice solution. $551 for a scooter is not what I would call a deal as a buyer though, far less usable in real world situations than an Ebike.
Connor Walker
Connor Walker दिन पहले
The first clip was a skater haha
Oklahoman Mapper
Oklahoman Mapper दिन पहले
I've seen a few Lime scooters near where I live. They seem to go unused more often than not.
joblessalex
joblessalex दिन पहले
You're missing that they have a repair team. Lowers the loss. This, and it's a $1 to START. After that its like 15 cents a minute or something. Means it brings in double or triple your number.
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tabletcasa casa
tabletcasa casa दिन पहले
i have one, after 1000 km I have to replace battery pack 250watts ( 7s 4p)
tabletcasa casa
tabletcasa casa 8 घंटे पहले
+Seff2 i buy new notebooks batteries from obsoltete models . and made all de soldering by myself . maybe 30 or 40 bucks
Seff2
Seff2 दिन पहले
How much does this pack cost?
Matthew Jackson
Matthew Jackson दिन पहले
Figure out a way to fine the people that intentionally damage the scooters.
Oscar Lim
Oscar Lim दिन पहले
I think the salvage value should also be factored into the calculation - in the accounting basis, every company that purchases an asset (machine, motor vehicle, big printing press etc) all have a bottom rake salvage value. For example, the scooter costs 551 @ purchase price --> salvage value at 50 dollars (parting it out or selling to refurbisher) = 500 dollar purchase price
Isaiah Moorehead
Isaiah Moorehead दिन पहले
If none of those investors and businesspeople behind this were smart enough to do some basic math before deploying their half baked idea nationwide, I hope they go broke and take their dangerous clutter with them
Jamari Hodges
Jamari Hodges दिन पहले
he didnt consider the costs these pay to have people charge and fix the scooters...this was a dud from the get go
Warped
Warped दिन पहले
I'd just buy a scooter if I needed one.
416 finn
416 finn दिन पहले
electro scooters are essentially the Michelle scott paper company of transportation
Braŭljo
Braŭljo दिन पहले
Who carries around a helmet to use these scooters? Don't tell me what to do
G7130
G7130 दिन पहले
It’s because people misuse things that aren’t theirs.
Reo Scorpio
Reo Scorpio दिन पहले
i bought my 1st Electric Scooter on Alibaba in April 2013.. 6 years ago. its a Patgear Scooter that was made in Germany & being sold in Shanghai. Patgear's scooters are built like TANKS very durable (with the best shock absorbers, rolling on 8 inch tires).. thus i had it 4 to 5 years before it started showing signs of breaking down.. i didn't see anyone in New York with an Electric Scooter 6 years ago, & now they're all they rage, trendy & the "NEW" thing to have... kinda feels like when "Thriller" came out & people discovered this NEW artist called Michael Jackson... hahahaha
Shawn Travels The World
Shawn Travels The World दिन पहले
I'm part of the scooter failure problems. I LOVEE SCOOTERS!!! I ride the hell out of them when I so ride them. LYME scooters are the best. I am a big guy and they hold up to hours of me give it full blast.
morrow
morrow दिन पहले
please verge, make clear in the title that it's about SHARING and not electric scooters in general...
chybagus
chybagus दिन पहले
I think it's time to charge a little more.
JJ Grey
JJ Grey दिन पहले
I live in a downtown area and almost been hit at high speeds from behind by these monsters...I would've been seriously hurt... Are the scooter co's gonna pay my medical bills? AND I see the homeless stealing them, riding them, trashing them(and homelessness and the Police not wanting to deal with it is only going to get worse)..I think something else other than profit/loss is going on here...
shawn stipe
shawn stipe दिन पहले
I have never heard or seen these Electric Scooters.
dash3dot
dash3dot दिन पहले
Vandalism should be punishable by cutting of one hand. That should fix the problem quite efficiently.
snethss
snethss दिन पहले
they can be cheaply refurbished ya doink.
Leon Schmid
Leon Schmid दिन पहले
Maybe people should stop damaging property of these companies. Maybe then the scooters would be around longer. SMH
BOB Fill
BOB Fill दिन पहले
Great idea in a perfect civilization
rahul nargundkar
rahul nargundkar दिन पहले
Scooters don't last long because Mercians.. You people literally want to strap a dynamite to every single thing you grab..
Noot
Noot दिन पहले
So basically... It's the people's fault lol
stephen h
stephen h दिन पहले
A chicken in every pot and a scooter on every sidewalk, ah America's promise.
KitMellow
KitMellow दिन पहले
If America has an obesity problem, the answer is not everyone using electric scooters lol...
Mike Broom
Mike Broom दिन पहले
Have you even seen Wall-E?
britshell
britshell दिन पहले
So the real winners, at least in the short-term, are just the users.
Dal Oliveira
Dal Oliveira दिन पहले
São Paulo, Brazil... full of scooters...
Mothy
Mothy दिन पहले
Bird pays way less than 360 per scooter. Closer to $50-$100. Remember these are made in China with some of the cheapest parts available. It costs about $25 to manufacture a xitomi mi scooter in shenxing.
Rafal Glazar
Rafal Glazar दिन पहले
Electric scooter sharing might not last but owning one and using is to commute is pretty nice. I do it for over a year and i do not regret buying it.
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