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The real reason Boeing's new plane crashed twice

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This isn’t just a computer bug. It’s a scandal.
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Two Boeing airplanes have fallen out of the air and crashed in the past six months. On the surface, this is a technical failure. But the real story is about a company's desire to beat their rival.
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15/04/2019

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Rob Y
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+Brian Dell Bottom line is that Boeing put a system in a plane to address an inherent misbalance in the flight characteristics of the plane in order to sell the plane as just another 737. In order sell this idea this they completely omitted mention of the MCAS system in the flight manuals. This would have been fine if the system didn't have absolute authority over the stab trim and pitch of the aircraft but it did! It would have also been fine if the system had any degree of redundancy... Which it didn't. It may have also been fine if the pilot input had control authority over MCAS... But it didn't! This is pure speculation but imagine you are a pilot and you lost complete pitch control of the aircraft and it is nosing down. You have seconds to figure out a problem that is not even mentioned in the flight manual and you are at a low altitude trying to make it back o the airport for an emergency landing. That's like telling a trained UFC fighter that he should have used his Jiu-Jitsu skills when someone came up behind him at a bar and sucker punched him in the back of the head. Never saw it coming. Another thing to mention is that because of the jack screw design of the 737 turning off MCAS by activating the cutout switches does not automatically fix the issue... The Stab trim is now STLL in FULL nose down position because it cuts power in the last known position of the stabilizer which in this case was full nose down! Now by following Boeings instructions you have created a stabilizer that is STUCK in full NOSE Down. This stabilizer now needs to be manually BY HAND trimmed with zero assistance from the electric motors which could be impossible in the current situation.
Brian Dell
Brian Dell 2 घंटे पहले
+Rob Y The system was off before that happened. So, no, the system did not do that. They turned it back on despite instructions not to. And then bad things happened because they were exceeding the aircraft's speed capacity. Never once did they try to slow down. Boeing cannot design a plane that is controllable at 500 knots because of this thing called physics.
Rob Y
Rob Y 3 घंटे पहले
+Brian Dell Boeing created a system that had NO redundancy for sensor failure that had absolute trim and pitch control over the airplane. Then didn't tell the pilots about it because they wanted to sell the fallacy that the Max 8 was just another 737. I guess the pilots could have slowed down but they forgot to turn on the antigravity switch as they were struggling with a 40 degree nosedive that the non redundant, ghost system put them in.
The Blue Revolution
The Blue Revolution 12 घंटे पहले
One day Corporate and Capitalism will destroy the Human Civilization in its greed and competition
.a. .ko.
.a. .ko. 14 घंटे पहले
The crash investigation are not yet concluded. How im gods name do you dare to claim having the real reason for the crashes???? This is irresponsible, insensitive and outright disrespectful to the families who lost someone in these crashes! You dont do journalism youre in the business of making a quick buck with click bait titles.. i reported this video
Jennifer White
Jennifer White 46 मिनट पहले
does not matter what happens American should be responsible for all the deaths of both planes they never grounded the planes down when the first plane went down Donald Trump should have done is job did he no all that that fake persistent is worried to build a wall now they have 2 planes went down and Americans hands have the blood on their hand did Trump say he is going to make American great again that hands of blood of other people deaths American should pay for all the lives lost in both planes American hands build the death trap and trump is their clown leader that has lifted all the safety rules in manufacturing in America
InfiniteWars
InfiniteWars 58 मिनट पहले
just shows how money can get you away from serious consequences
snirp
snirp घंटे पहले
why fly a 737 when you can fly a 1939
J.C. Schutte
J.C. Schutte घंटे पहले
So Boeing & The Federal Aviation Association are to be sued. They were the real culpritz. Big question still remain: Why couldnt the pilots not switch off the auto pilot program mode and change to manual pilot mode?
Not Human
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Malaysian airlines wants to know your location
Chris Marsh
Chris Marsh घंटे पहले
Fascinating, well presented video.
john walker
john walker घंटे पहले
My biggest problem with this is it's not the first time, (Not that this tradegy was). Titanic had to sink so we all got a place on a lifeboat. The Pinto car was a firebomb waiting to be set off by a rear end shunt. Chernobyl was a disaster waiting to happen. Hopefully the People who lost their lives were not in vain. But do we seriously think anyone cares who can do something about this? No the share price dip has seen to that.
Bernie Sanders
Bernie Sanders घंटे पहले
DRUMPFS FAULT
Mitchy Mitch
Mitchy Mitch घंटे पहले
Money and greed
Simon Jenner
Simon Jenner घंटे पहले
Boeing has badly harmed itself here as a corporation. And those responsible should be investigated for criminal negligence. As it is, Boeing’s Board of Directors is on notice that key members of executive management need to be removed and terminated for cause.
TheBuddiesForever
TheBuddiesForever घंटे पहले
Airbus is and will always be the best and safe. Excellent video which showcases the truth.
Marthinn Kehntoozs
Marthinn Kehntoozs 2 घंटे पहले
I'd rather fly on TU-134 than on this
Nathan Trujillo
Nathan Trujillo 2 घंटे पहले
Thanks for helping understand this issue better.
DYNB
DYNB 2 घंटे पहले
Corporate greed to the rescue!
Phumie Ngwane
Phumie Ngwane 2 घंटे पहले
This is so heartbreaking. How many lives have to be lost in the name of greed? How is this company still being allowed to fix their mistake?
tram90
tram90 2 घंटे पहले
Switched off this video quickly! Do not MIX speech and music!!
Watchman Steven Anderson
Watchman Steven Anderson 2 घंटे पहले
As a former Avionics Technician US Navy, this is a correct analyst of what happened. Thank You Vox.
Daniel Berroteran
Daniel Berroteran 2 घंटे पहले
... I do not justify Boeing for the serious error of the Mcas system which could have managed to correct the problem in the 2 accidents caused but being something badly thought and in this commercial war the opportunity is taken to make firewood of the fallen tree ... It is not the first time that these problems occur in the development of a new or an evolution of an airplane in production, of course, it is an evolution but each new accessory or re design in wings, body or avionics system implies changes that seek more efficiency or get more out of a proven base since it saves millions in making one out of nothing ... the 737 has proven to be one of the most efficient and safest in the world, because since the late 60s more than 10,000 units and has projected more than 4,000 to deliver and build. This has become a scandal, especially for those who have interest that this plane has stumbling blocks to continue selling their products in the aircraft market between 150 and 200 seats and this I say especially for the Chinese and Russians with their joint venture CR929, they were the first to paralyze their fleet ... I hope I'm wrong Show less RESPOND
Ed Totman
Ed Totman 3 घंटे पहले
Another issue is that Boeing charged more for extra angle-of-attack sensors and indicators. These options are now included for free.
alconamx
alconamx 3 घंटे पहले
Great video Vox. Yanks - hang your head in disgrace and shame.
Maxime Alarie
Maxime Alarie 3 घंटे पहले
The pilot shouldn't have fought with the plane and just land it when he noticed it was peaking down?
Andres Foster
Andres Foster 3 घंटे पहले
Money ruins all
Rajesh Shah
Rajesh Shah 3 घंटे पहले
Now Trump should Make AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.Bloody loosers their FAA is more corrupt than our Food inspectors.
MrSeedkey
MrSeedkey 3 घंटे पहले
Boeing is surely to blame but so is the certification bodies, it was there job to vet and thoroughly test the designs. How did they approve it so fast? A sinister part of me says maybe there was some influences of Boeing within these bodies
silent watcher
silent watcher 3 घंटे पहले
The real reason is poor quality.
purwoko arie
purwoko arie 3 घंटे पहले
Well at least boeing can no longer blame lion air for the accident on fligh 610...maybe boeing should consider to redesign and rebranding max8
Matrix Dude
Matrix Dude 3 घंटे पहले
737 i the most serial killer i haaate it i jumb when it lands
Farzana Nadeem
Farzana Nadeem 3 घंटे पहले
The people that were travelling, may their soul rest in peace ✌🏿
Prasad Sawant
Prasad Sawant 3 घंटे पहले
Americans.....
Igor M
Igor M 3 घंटे पहले
Wait. Boeing - just for promotional reasons - had lied about unchanged flying characteristcs, and then omitted the existence of MCAS in this "tablet-training" procedure. That's right, good point. But isn't it secondary to that MCAS had failed, repeatedly? And I remember news about simple error in MCAS design, saying that data were read from only one of two redundant sensors, making whole MCAS fully dependant on proper working of one device, and unable to cross-check it in case of its failure. What about it, is it unconfirmed? Existence of two sensors points that it was not just a cost cutting, so there stands question about the procedures, about checking and controlling the design. How has it happen that not Boeing nor NTSB had noticed that ?
QYURRYUS
QYURRYUS 4 घंटे पहले
RIP
GeographyFish
GeographyFish 4 घंटे पहले
Profit over people
Lorena Wieshamm
Lorena Wieshamm 4 घंटे पहले
Boeing is trying to fix a hardware problem with software. The 737 Max needs to be re engineered!!!. But that would involve millions or billions of dollars so Boeing took the cheap solution.... What actually killed 346 people is MONEY. Boeing even if you manage to 'fix' this plane, your credibility can't be fixed so easily. And I really hope that whoever put the stamp of approval on the Max 8 will be prosecuted.
Mr Paul
Mr Paul 4 घंटे पहले
Good news for Airbus
ang xin
ang xin 4 घंटे पहले
Sadly they won't bear the responsibility
Philipp JUTZI
Philipp JUTZI 4 घंटे पहले
Just fly with western pilots, you are likley to be ok
John MCCULLOCH
John MCCULLOCH 4 घंटे पहले
Competition......rushing technology and not properly testing.
Ras Keisar
Ras Keisar 4 घंटे पहले
Airbus is laughing at Boeing big time!
mike burns
mike burns 4 घंटे पहले
It crashed twice because it was quickly grounded. Otherwise, it would have crashed 20 times.
harsh
harsh 4 घंटे पहले
corporate competition money madness corruption and bribery
Giane19h
Giane19h 5 घंटे पहले
isn't enough that America killing people in wars all over the world , they had to kill them in there travels too -_-
Galactic Rangers
Galactic Rangers 5 घंटे पहले
i don't care for this software update, i'll never feel safe on 737 max again, slightest turbilance and i'll be screaming land please, surely they realise the public have lost faith in their product, they may aswel ground them and never let them fly again. it's not a stable aircraft and who honestly in their right mind wants to fly on an unstable aircraft.
hypersonic678 Games
hypersonic678 Games 5 घंटे पहले
Man, Boeing played themselves.
John & Jerry
John & Jerry 5 घंटे पहले
Just some young bois tryna live their dreams in this one life, feel free to be the reason and subscribe to our channel(good content) ✌🏾🥰
Ĺinda Rothera
Ĺinda Rothera 5 घंटे पहले
Everybodys thinking dodgy Chinese parts & slack servicing
Charlie Whiskey
Charlie Whiskey 5 घंटे पहले
So what's the connection between the new engines and MCAS pushing the nose down? I can't see the connection through this video. If you mean the engine is physically heavier, that moves the CofG forward all else equal - no issue - you shouldn't have seen a crash like this; new engine having higher thrust causing a pitch-up at max thrust? Then have a slightly larger horizontal stabiliser - it's not rocket science to solve an issue like that AND still keep the resulting handling characteristics very close to the the 737NG, and I mean mechanically without adding electronic augmentations - even the NG had -700, -800, -900 variants all sharing the same type rating. The Max has had tens of thousands of flight hours logged already. If the issue is fundamental in the flight mechanics, as this video suggested, it would have shown up a long time ago, and it wouldn't have manifested they way it did - two planes just suddenly decided to do kamikaze dives. Airbus has had its "alpha floor" flight augmentation system for decades. Much more likely, Boeing simply screwed up trying to match.
Taolo Samuel
Taolo Samuel 5 घंटे पहले
Who's here after the Ethiopian and Lion air crashes?
RAY.S 3523
RAY.S 3523 5 घंटे पहले
I thought they were going to add additional weight to the plane to balance it, not add software that could have bugs!
Thor's Gaming
Thor's Gaming 6 घंटे पहले
The best short explanation on the Internet so far. Well done 👍 couldn't have said it better.
Inspire True
Inspire True 6 घंटे पहले
Javac....
Marc The man
Marc The man 6 घंटे पहले
Meh
Mat Setizar
Mat Setizar 6 घंटे पहले
Im no pilot but isn’t countering stall one of the most basic skills of flying? Surely no software is needed for this? Also anyone know how many near misses are there? I mean inflight mcas issues that were serious but didn’t result in a crash.
5 Teratas
5 Teratas 6 घंटे पहले
I lost my friend in Lion Air accident. This video reminds me of him.
Adam 534
Adam 534 6 घंटे पहले
I just think it’s ridiculous that such a small simple problem resulted in the deaths of hundreds. Really dumb
Hans Heini
Hans Heini 6 घंटे पहले
Since the FAA already failed once, Boeing should dare to redo their aviation certification at another authority. That could rehabilitate trust and dispense any suspicion of collusion between Boeing and the FAA.
Mukesh Devrari
Mukesh Devrari 6 घंटे पहले
For money people running these companies can go to any extent.
Divyanshu Singh
Divyanshu Singh 6 घंटे पहले
I very rarely like a vox video. This was one of the only few times.
Jeff Lai
Jeff Lai 6 घंटे पहले
Boeing and FAA are murderers.
KIN
KIN 6 घंटे पहले
Hope those plans never be allowed to fly in the sky again
MC1000media
MC1000media 6 घंटे पहले
Again innocent People suffer because of capitalistic greed £$€
Trust No Government
Trust No Government 6 घंटे पहले
May God almighty do the same to those who did this mistake knowingly coz of money. Amen
Brian Paquin
Brian Paquin 6 घंटे पहले
Population control.
Eugene Koshanof
Eugene Koshanof 6 घंटे पहले
Dear Boeing, your greed over human lives choice backfired big time. All your planes have been grounded and there is no way out of this mess, no matter how many updates you try to make now
wilcox tam
wilcox tam 6 घंटे पहले
boeing 737 max 8 is the samsung note 7 of planes
I drink juice
I drink juice 7 घंटे पहले
Couldn't Airbus have just raised the the wheels on the plane to fit the new engines???
Restricted User Mode
Restricted User Mode 7 घंटे पहले
If these accidents prove anything to me, it's the fact that the capitalist mentality we all live by costs life because we aren't willing to work together and share ideas and the finite resources we are blessed with.
MRSomethin1
MRSomethin1 7 घंटे पहले
I worked as a test pilot for Boeing on the Max 8 and to this day am still not sure why I had to do all flights naked
Ivan Oosthuizen
Ivan Oosthuizen 7 घंटे पहले
This makes me so angry! All in the name of profit; just imagine somewhere some "investor" is having a nice lunch dipped in the blood of innocent people. Sickening.
iRedwan !
iRedwan ! 7 घंटे पहले
God bless Airbus 🙏🏼
Michael Gallagher
Michael Gallagher 7 घंटे पहले
This wouldn't happen under communism
Anemoi
Anemoi 7 घंटे पहले
Thanks FAA, Thanks Boeing. Time for new management and in jail with the old. 20 years minimum!
Pity me Nonchalang
Pity me Nonchalang 7 घंटे पहले
😢
Boyd W
Boyd W 7 घंटे पहले
I'm dubious about the change in engine positioning contributing to pitch up issues, given that a lower mounted engine would have a thrust line with a greater moment-arm over the centre of pressure (airframe drag) and centre of mass. Perhaps if there was a change in the vertical inclination of the thrust line, or significantly greater thrust with the new engines. Do you have any evidence to confirm that the MCAS system was introduced specifically to mitigate pitch-up issues caused by the new engines, of is this speculation?
Mohamed Younes
Mohamed Younes 7 घंटे पहले
Never fly with Boeings, most of air disasters are caused by their planes. They always find away to blame pilots or maintenance etc..
Syahreza Fauzi
Syahreza Fauzi 7 घंटे पहले
Thank you so much man, you got my like and subscribe.
LCwavesAtYa
LCwavesAtYa 7 घंटे पहले
So what prevented Boeing from raising the landing gears or increase the diameter of the landing wheels? Is it an issue with aerodynamics that made it unfeasible?
Sasha Kovalchuk
Sasha Kovalchuk 8 घंटे पहले
If the MCAS system is made less aggressive wouldn't the airplane risk stalling? You can't trust software, same with Tesla "auto pilot".
Think Thought
Think Thought 8 घंटे पहले
money is always more important than humans......... always. sad.
T0rb1 NAalborg
T0rb1 NAalborg 8 घंटे पहले
NO Boing 737 Max crashed twice! Get the facts right! It was 2 different Max 737 planes that crashed at 2 different locations at different times.
Natnael Tsegaw
Natnael Tsegaw 8 घंटे पहले
5:20 ... Thats why
tom erik Rasmussen
tom erik Rasmussen 8 घंटे पहले
mcas - McAss
Andrey Morozov
Andrey Morozov 8 घंटे पहले
On some web sites now you can see what plane is servicing the flight so you can see what you are flying on. For example On TRIP. Even if they will bring back this boeng with updated software I will never fly this plane. And for anybody to continue working with such company if a future they must be out of their mind.
Rick LeClair
Rick LeClair 8 घंटे पहले
Finally an explanation1 Thanks
Dfathurr
Dfathurr 8 घंटे पहले
If boeing don't fix that damn mechanical seriously, i'm afraid if boeing will lower the trust like DC-10
Ismail Cem Tahhusoglu
Ismail Cem Tahhusoglu 8 घंटे पहले
awesome video thanks :)
Kumar Narendra
Kumar Narendra 8 घंटे पहले
Thanks vox for the video, Boeing should take the responsibility for all death and compensate properly to their relatives. The government should even take some strict action against them. I was thinking Boeing is best in term of design and safety but after watching this video I don't trust them. They are killer.
Ignacio Alfaro Allona
Ignacio Alfaro Allona 8 घंटे पहले
Gues what? Now Trump’eteer politicians are applying defensive tariffs on EU/Airbus imports to contain Boeing colapse. Anything but fair market policies! I hope value of lost lives will prevail over economics.
MW6
MW6 8 घंटे पहले
If the plane I am going on is made by Boeing... I'm getting off.... F you Boeing !
The reality you fear
The reality you fear 9 घंटे पहले
They really couldn't just make the landing gear longer?
Riki
Riki 9 घंटे पहले
So the competition for some profit killing people
Yash
Yash 9 घंटे पहले
I'm never flying again Boeing 737 even after new software update, if these planes ever get clearance of flying again.
Kelp Farming
Kelp Farming 9 घंटे पहले
Its a superios product that competent nations can handle. Shthole nations that DIDNT prioritise learned a lesson.
Anne Shaw
Anne Shaw 9 घंटे पहले
I thought the wings were moved as well to fit new engine?
Daz Fran
Daz Fran 9 घंटे पहले
putting something that will override the pilots command is just stupid.
Kelp Farming
Kelp Farming 9 घंटे पहले
no, putting in the hands of incompetents from ethiopia is the stupid thing to do.
DerHugo01
DerHugo01 9 घंटे पहले
its much more the fault of the airlines which gave the pilots inproper training for situations like this and how people generally get trained as airline pilots than the fault of boeing. im not a fan of the mcas system myself but systems like it are necessary for pilots nowadays to not drive the plane into the ground every few flights. as airliners get more and more automised, pilot training is way less focused on how to actually fly the aircraft like, well, an aircraft but more on how to operate the automated systems inside the cockpit which makes it necessary for companies like boeing to implement systems like the mcas. of course it is a flawed system, im not arguing against that, but if the pilots would have gotten proper training on the airframes, which is job of the airlines and not of boeing, none of this would have happened.
Kelp Farming
Kelp Farming 9 घंटे पहले
Yep. Never mind the multiple COMPETENT pilots who shut MCAS off and continued on their way. The Ethiopians geniuses shut it off then, against the manual, turned it back on
Diajeng Dian
Diajeng Dian 9 घंटे पहले
:(
O z
O z 9 घंटे पहले
The cowboys won't pay up for sure. They are arrogant deniers as usual. For now, their tactic is just to keep quiet and hoping the wait off the storm.
Kelp Farming
Kelp Farming 9 घंटे पहले
Yeh yeh, so this is what bliss looks like when you think..ignorance is bliss
greysmouth
greysmouth 9 घंटे पहले
Unbeleivable..Lyers for money and not taking care of human beings.
Kelp Farming
Kelp Farming 9 घंटे पहले
SO once again the ethiopians dont have to take responsibility? Is that how it works..again..and again..and again 2015 there was a similar crash in Ethiopia...THey blamed some mystery terrorist. French and German authorities with a tad more experience...called it PILOT INCOMPETENCE
AMeizin
AMeizin 9 घंटे पहले
I was on an hour and a half flight today from Sydney to Queensland and it was Boeing 737. I was like praying before we took off haha.
AMeizin
AMeizin 8 घंटे पहले
+Kelp Farming haha
Kelp Farming
Kelp Farming 9 घंटे पहले
The difference is..it wasnt ethiopia and Indonesia...nations that no one wants to live in
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